tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post4868844299374366756..comments2023-09-10T07:58:32.464-07:00Comments on Nelson's View: What an eejit!Nelson McCausland MLAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11458324593112960421noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post-60201109090429155252011-03-04T13:54:44.441-08:002011-03-04T13:54:44.441-08:00According to http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Com...According to http://conventions.coe.int/Treaty/Commun/ListeDeclarations.asp?NT=148&CV=1&NA=&PO=999&CN=999&VL=1&CM=9&CL=ENG<br>"The United Kingdom declares, in accordance with Article 2, paragraph 1 of the Charter that it recognises that Scots and Ulster Scots meet the Charter’s definition of a regional or minority language for the purposes of Part II of the Charter."<br>That mentions 'a language' rather than 'languages'. If I understand that right, the Ulster in 'Ulster Scots' is a geographic adjective indicating that the charter also applies to Scots in Ulster. Just one language and not separate ones in Northern Ireland and Scotland. I assume Scots will likely have many variants, for example Ayrshire Scots or Aberdeenshire Scots etc., Ulster Scots simply being one of them.Alanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18275343798425345080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post-88072415519248337632011-03-04T11:35:07.907-08:002011-03-04T11:35:07.907-08:00Ulster-Scots has been described as a variant of Sc...Ulster-Scots has been described as a variant of Scots but in the context of the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages the UK government recognised Ulster-Scots as a minority language in Northern Ireland. One thing that is certain is that it is not a dialect of English.Nelson McCausland MLAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11458324593112960421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post-40448720356423369532011-03-04T10:37:17.519-08:002011-03-04T10:37:17.519-08:00It would appear Ulser Scots is a dialect. A dialec...It would appear Ulser Scots is a dialect. A dialect of Scots?Alanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18275343798425345080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post-14830220835313507472011-03-03T15:57:56.533-08:002011-03-03T15:57:56.533-08:00Both regional or minority languages are part of ou...Both regional or minority languages are part of our cultural wealth.Nelson McCausland MLAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11458324593112960421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post-70021185274647469062011-03-03T02:45:44.224-08:002011-03-03T02:45:44.224-08:00A language is nothing more than a dialect with an ...A language is nothing more than a dialect with an army. Ulster Scots now fits this description, as does Irish, but not without consequence.<br><br>Rather than take the either/or approach it do well to acknowledge the value of both. Depoliticizing both would also be beneficial.Angus Lambkinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16698254851490438082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post-10960866158381497452011-03-02T18:13:36.437-08:002011-03-02T18:13:36.437-08:00And I wasn't brought up in an Ulster-Scots spe...And I wasn't brought up in an Ulster-Scots speaking area either, I was brought up in Belfast. But Ulster dialect incorporates many Ulster-Scots words and forms and everyone in Ulster will know at least some words.<br><br>As regards the terms dialect and language I would refer you back to some of my earlier posts on this subject.<br><br>Yes I only quoted from one Sinn Fein publication but I noticed in one of today's newspapers that even Margaret Ritchie of the SDLP was criticising Sinn Fein for exploiting the Irish language.<br><br>Finally, perhaps you could say whether you think Scots is a language or a dialect of English.Nelson McCausland MLAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11458324593112960421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6348278268205456603.post-23736810371331567712011-03-02T17:22:31.566-08:002011-03-02T17:22:31.566-08:00The fact that I could perfectly understand what &q...The fact that I could perfectly understand what "Ach ye wudnae hae a gleed o wut, John, wud ye?" means without having been brought up in an Ulster Scots community shows perfectly why Ulster Scots cannot be considered a language.<br><br>You may not agree with the manner in which Coulter said what he did, but frankly, he is correct.<br><br>Ulster Scots is NOT a language. <br><br><br>It IS a dialect.<br><br>Here is the dictionary definition of a dialect.<br><br>"A regional or social variety of a language distinguished by pronunciation, grammar, or vocabulary, especially a variety of speech differing from the standard literary language or speech pattern of the culture in which it exists"<br><br>Now, explain to me how Ulster Scots does not fall under that exact discription.<br><br><br>I put it to you that you have used Ulster Scots as a point scoring tool against the Irish Language - (something which you see regard as an idicator of Nationalism/Republicanism - as you've demonstrated above by referring to the frankly unfortunate comments from ONE Sinn Fein publication) because you don't like the idea of the Irish speaking community protecting their legitimate language at the cost of Unionist tax payers.Petehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13818307498746584201noreply@blogger.com